September 15, 2007...6:06 am
NASA Says -No proof of Ramsethu!!!!!!!!!!
On Wednesday morning, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) activists blocked rail and road traffic and clashed with police in many parts of India protesting the proposal for a navigational sea route between India and Sri Lanka that could damage Ram Setu. The reaction of most people was that VHP is doing what it is good at- creating mayhem without an issue. The ASI affidavit changed the public opinion at once. The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) told the Supreme court that there was no historical and scientific evidence to establish the existence of Lord Rama or the other characters in Ramayana. This looks to me as an effort to divide the society on the basis of religious faith. We can all smell elections. All the actions of different political parties point towards that. Today we read the news-
US space agency – NASA – which has said that the space photos of the Palk Strait do not prove the existence of Ram Sethu. When have we taken NASA’s opinion on religious issues. What is next- DNA test to prove that Jesus was born of virgin Mary,did GAutama the Budha attain enlightenment, or the relic at the Hajratbal shrine belongs to the Prophet. These are matters of faith. I am not too much of a religious person and I am sceptical about the truth in the mythological stories but this hurt me. I can imagine the deeply religious persons would be feeling betrayed by their own government in their own country.
The fallout of this would be -people like Narendra Modi who were on their way out will take advantage of this. The govt has withdrawn this affidavit and two junior officers have been made scapegoats but the damage would be hard to control. I suspect there is somebody in the govt. sympathetic to the saffron brigade.
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34 Comments
September 15, 2007 at 6:42 am
People who have faith do not want proof of their faith. That is a fact.
September 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm
It’s not a matter of proof, its a matter of what pple belive. If you can do it differently, then you might as well so everyone will be pleased about it. Otherwise, well one side will have to step down. but you must be right Prerna, this issue must have been triggered by politicians. When are the elections?
September 15, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Why just the saffron brigade? I’m sure all parties (Congress, Left, BSP etc.) will jump on the bandwagon and use this issue to garner votes. There’s not much difference between parties when it comes to manipulating people.
September 15, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Please don’t lose your focus. Don’t allow your self to be distracted from this humiliation. It is time to clutch on to the throat of the real culprits behind this conspiracy of questioning our faith in our own country. It is sheer arrogance of the organized religious army of Vatican that they can stab us makes us bleed and get away.
It is a milestone attack in the long history of Vatican’s design to conquest India’s spiritual terrain. Don’t forget that Pope John Paul vowed to spread Christianity in India. Here some simple truths to gauge the designs of Vatican parivar-in which 10Janpath is an active member:
Create antibodies: Corrupt the minds of children with twisted history and erode cultural values and ethos that bind us together in India. They have been largely successful in this as our own people argue against our value system, culture ad religion.
Occupy political space: After dividing us create vote banks-combining Christianity with Islam and other castes (which change in each region) to conquer power or start dictating the government.
What we are seeing today is rapid progression of Vatican parivar towards logical conclusion to achieving this dream of conquering spiritual terrain of India. By DICTATING THE GOVERNMEN TO ANNOUNCE RAM NEVER EXISTED they are preparing for a final assault.
Wake up from your deep slumber; don%u2019t fall in to the trap of slavery once again. Don%u2019t let these attackers go unpunished
September 15, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Yes, everyone believe in faith. Because that’s what is going to provide us food and shelter and the prosperity of the mankind. But not in supernatural thing, but in the strength of humans who are willing to produce and support and lift the mankind with them. The rest being a burden with their belief in something that they can’t define or fully understand and defend it to their death. What a bunch of crap.
As Nits said, it is a fact.
Grow up.
September 15, 2007 at 10:02 pm
krishkundy you must be kidding. If you knew how religion was treated in Europe and most areas of the world, your comments would make you laugh. the government only does what seems economically (and electorally) more compelling. No “attack” or “conspiration” or whatever, this is internal business, and it would the same (or “worse”
in nearly any other country in the world.
September 16, 2007 at 12:22 am
Of course there is no way to tell if the ram setu is a natural or man-made thing. If people want to believe in the spiritual side of it that is their business. Most of the people who believe that though, will never even see the damaged part. Or will the knowledge that it has been damaged hinder their daily spiritual life?
Nasa has probably been misquoted - they cant say one way or the other, they just took a photo.
Making ships go around it all the time will add to greenhouse gas emissions and quicken global warming, creating more violent seas which could damage or destroy the thing anyway.
September 16, 2007 at 6:04 am
I had left the below comment at a similar post, so I am putting the same thing here:
Well I would say that destruction of Ram Sethu is not good from many perspectives: [1] Scientific - it breaks the Tsunami force which would otherwise create havoc on the west Indian coast [2] Heritage - If Taj, Red Fort or Hawa Mahal are standing in way of some major highway project, do we raze them to the ground? I dont think so, there are some things that go beyond just economic development… and thats called a rich heritage and past. [3] Religious - State should never interfere with people’s personal faith. Everyone has the right to believe in what he/she wants. We can prove that Budhha existed, but we cant prove for certain that he DID get enlightenment. How do we prove that Jesus was resurrected? Or for that matter, that god exists at all? All this said and done, I believe this controversy is a simple vote-bank game these idiots like to play.
September 16, 2007 at 6:05 am
if there is no proof of the setus existance there is no proof of its non existance either.
nyways this happened in treta yuga (0.869 to 2.165 million years back) –with this kind of stats it is a miracle that the whole ramayana story was so well documented.
God know how the indian landmass looked like then plus who stops a person from taking advantage of a natural formation and building a bridge upon it ? plus it was also said that the stones floated once shri ram was written on them
Amits comments make sense
on mody i dont think he is on his way out as congress and its all out radical and otherwise minority appeasement makes him stronger than ever, so much so that the some of old bjp guard is ganging up with ex bjp politician and currently staunch suckularist Vaghela.
September 17, 2007 at 12:07 pm
September 18, 2007 at 7:25 am
This happened millions years back & it has a clear proof in ramayana , it was clearly established by NASA . We should sort out the issue in diplomatic way that no religion should be hurt. Becasue there are attached sentiments to the Hindu religion otherwise there will be questions of other religions identity. No one can prove the same.
Everybody should come together to resolve this issue. There can be another alternate to the project can be discussed.
IN WHICH CENTRE GOVT. WIL HAVE TO PLAY MAJOR ROLE IN IT.
September 18, 2007 at 7:27 am
This happened millions years back & it has a clear proof in ramayana , it was clearly established by NASA . We should sort out the issue in diplomatic way that no religion should be hurt. Becasue there are attached sentiments to the Hindu religion otherwise there will be questions of other religions identity. No one can prove the same.
Everybody should come together to resolve this issue. There can be another alternate to the project which can be discussed.
IN WHICH CENTRE GOVT. WIL HAVE TO PLAY MAJOR ROLE IN IT.
September 18, 2007 at 11:26 am
Hey Rajiv Sandhir, nice first name
September 19, 2007 at 10:37 am
The ram sethu isuue…. initially I was not so worried tht the adam’s bridge is gonna be destructed for the sake of project.. I don’t really know wat exactly are the uses of the project.. but It hurt me wen the very statement “ram didnot exist” was supported by a responsible body like center govt. The govt. just can’t afford to do this.In a secularistic country like India… the govt which is responsible for it’s ppl can’t declare such statements just like tht..
Is it really tht the archeologists have explored everything in the world…. Is it that the knowledge,the technology, the science currently existting, enough to explore each and everything in the world…. to find a proof of rama’s existence….
Does the govt. dare to declare a statement tht “Allah didnot exist” …there are no proof of his existence…
iam not worried abt the destruction of ramsethu.. but to do it the govt can’t say tht ram didnot exist…
September 19, 2007 at 10:48 am
Rajiv is a nice first name:))
I agree with you Kalcy. Thanks for the visit.
Thanks prax for your views. Vaghela is capapble of changing his party any day. Keshubhai is more of a worry for Narendra Modi.
September 19, 2007 at 10:49 am
Thanks Rajiv Sandhir for the visit and the views.
September 19, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Ramayana is all about belief of the ppl from vedabhoomi or karmabhoomim INDIA.There is no need to affect relegious feelings of INDIANS.
September 19, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Thanks RAM for the visit.
September 20, 2007 at 6:13 am
now.. Sensitive issues like this which are related to nation’s feelings should be dealt with wisely..
why is the issue been carried forward only in one way…The project which has been started with great expectations of doing good to the entire nation is stuck in the contraversies. The UPA govt should take the responsibility for this.
All the parties including the regional political parties should make sure that no voilence is raised and peace is maintained…when dealing with issue…
And no one cares if a nominal person like me or u does believe ram or not….But a responsible body like govt or person who is represents ppl should not hurt the feelings of ppl. It’s the matter of belief and not proof.. what ever may be his personal opinion abt the issue… he should be rational enough to decide whether his statements are wise..
See the center govt has realized immediately that there affidavit is not gonna help them in any way instead it creates major problem for them…it has beeen withdrawn immediately and two officers are held responsible for it and they fell victim of this..
The govt has asked for 3 months to realize alternate approaches to continue the sethu samudram proj.. why has it not occured to it b4…
September 20, 2007 at 6:29 am
Ok … assume we agree with the ppl or experts who believe that adam’s bridge if a naturally formed one and not built by rama are ny other human…
Has the govt. undergone any approaches to find if ny problems could rise if the bridge is collapsed for the the purpose of project.
Prof S.Murthy Ottava university,Canada says “Ram sethu has protected Kerela from the dangerous impact of 2004 tsunami.”
In 1956 A.Ramaswamy madalayar committee has formed for sethu samudram project which has an idea to dig a canal through ramsethu.. IIT prof kalyanraman had suggested them to withdraw there idea..
It will be stupidity to destroya naturally formed bridge without proper study and research in addition to not caring about the beliefs of ppl. otherwise it will be that we are inviting new dangerous problems..
The only solution is to get rid of all the political bullshit and approach wisely.
September 20, 2007 at 8:07 am
http://kalyan97.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/500/
plz follow the link…
It has a reply from NASA earthweb to the email send by director saraswati research center kalyanraman.
September 20, 2007 at 8:11 am
http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/jul/31slid1.htm
September 20, 2007 at 8:41 am
WHAT IS NASA’S ROLE HERE,WE CAN’T IGNORE OUR AGE OLD STORIES AND ANCIENT SCRIPTS,WE HAVE FAILED TO CONSERVE OUR VEDAS AND MANY MORE MANUSCRIPTS ,NOW THE RAMSETHU ,IT IS NOT GOOD FOR US ,IF WE HERE THEM[GOVT] THEY WILL TELL THAT THE DROWNED CITY OF DWARAKA, WHICH IS HAVING REMAINS IN THE SEA,IS A BRITISH MUSEUM,IT IS ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY TO HER OTHERS AND TAKING DECISIONS,WE MUST HAVE ADEEP INTROSPECTION.
October 1, 2007 at 9:38 am
We should least bother the words from NASA when we speak something which is related to faith. NASA dependends only on proof ont on the FAITH…..
October 17, 2007 at 9:08 am
why is NASA the authority here? they havent done a single thing to study the area. no on-field surveys. they havent as much as come anywhere near the gulf of mannar.
we should ask oceanographers independent of the government to conduct surveys. nasa aerial images arent proof of anything. and nasa WOULD have vested interests in this business..
October 22, 2007 at 9:31 pm
NASA BLUFFED THE WORLD ABOUT MISSION TO MOON AS TECHNOLOGICALLY U.S.A WAS NOT ADVANCED IN 1969 TO ACHIEVE THIS FEAT. YOU CAN FIND SEVERAL INSTANCES THAT THE MOON MISSION WAS SHOOTED IN A STUDIO TO BELITTLE RUSSIA PSYCHOLOGICALLY IN COLD WAR. RAM SETHU IS 100% TRUTH I HAVE GONE THROUGH LANKAN ARCHEOLOGICAL BOOKS.
PLEASE REFER VEDIC WRITINGS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT NEWTON, EINSTEIN INVENTED( ?) IS ACTUALLY MENTIONED IN VEDAS LONG BEFORE THEIR BIRTH. EVERYTHING ABOUT GRAVITY, ANTI-GRAVITY,PHYSICAL THERMODYAMICS ETC. OUR ANCENSTORS WERE VERY HIGHLY DEVELOPED PEOPLE. SO PLEASE FOLLOW THEM AND LET US AGAIN MAKE OUR BELOVED COUNTRY SUPER POWER HOUSE OF THE UNIVERSE, AS IT WAS MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO.
JAI HIND, MAY LORD RAM BLESS THIS WORLD
October 31, 2007 at 3:49 pm
When the NASA pictures were shown as the proof including the VHP, RSS, BJP, now the same people are questioning NASA when they say it is not manmade, natural. Now they say it is people belief.
December 6, 2007 at 12:20 pm
संतुलित लेखन.. प्रभावी लेख. पहली बार आपका ब्लॉग देखा और ध्यान से पढकर आपकी वैचारिक गहराई से प्रभावित हुए बिना नहीं रह सका.
December 6, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Welcome Neeraj. Thanks a lot for the good words. I haven’t mastered typing in Devnagri otherwise I would have loved to reply in Hindi.
December 14, 2007 at 7:56 am
i love ram and we all to love him
he is only the man who take care of everybody surrounding him
he have a only wife
he cares his parents very much
he cares his people
so we should follow his nature so he is only the god
February 15, 2008 at 10:35 am
Ram Sethu already visuvalized in Ramayana.
Our Naval chief also informed very clearly that by introducing this project, it is not viable for Big Ships for international passage.
In spite of Naval chief information our friends of DMK claiming this project is viable for all also to Tamil, Tamilnadu will be benefitted.
It is quite clearly says that they want Ram passage to be demolished, because of Anti Hindu, Anti North, and Anti Brahamins approach of tamilnadu regional parties.
They themselves calling secularist people for muslim votes they are opposing Babri masjid demolition and now they want Ram Sethu demiolition.
Is it secularisams?
Secularisams word should not use for their wins and fancies.since Hindus are Tolerent people they shouldnot taken for a ride.
our Communists, congress, DMK, are always blaming Hindu mythology.
They will not open mouth if any muslim brothers .
are doing any voilent work.
please be true to all.
April 24, 2008 at 1:01 pm
i do not believe in God.
man is from evolution.
and will be destroyed by the natural way.
May 13, 2008 at 9:21 pm
I am not a hindu but on this issue I am with my hindu brothers and sisters, Indian govt. never cared about its people and people’s sentiments. First it did not protect sikhs and sikh holy places, then it did not protect muslims and now they are trying to attack hindus. Its a matter of faith why do they want to shatter the faith of millions of people and where is the proof that it wasn’t built during Rama’s time?
How greedy those businessmen and politicians could be?
What proof do people have that Jesus existed or Mohammed existed or Budha existed or they were enlightened people??
July 1, 2008 at 10:41 pm
The following excerpt is from C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters–a witty and practical statement of orthodox Christian theology cast in the form of letters from a senior devil, Screwtape, to a junior devil, Wormwood, who is trying to capture the soul of an earthly “patient”:
MY DEAR WORMWOOD,
I had noticed, of course, that the humans were having a lull in their European war [World War II]–what they naively call “The War!”–and am not surprised that there is a corresponding lull in the patient’s anxieties. Do we want to encourage this or to keep him worried? Tortured fear and stupid confidence are both desirable states of mind. Our choice between them raised important questions.
The humans live in time, but our Enemy destines them to eternity. He therefore, I believe, wants them to attend chiefly to two things, to eternity itself and to that point of time which they call the Present. For the Present is the point at which time touches eternity. Of the present moment, and of it only, humans have an experience analogous to the experience which our Enemy has of reality as a whole; in it alone freedom and actuality are offered them. He would therefore have them continually concerned either with eternity (which means being concerned with Him) or with the Present–either meditating on their eternal union with, or separation from, Himself, or else obeying the present voice of conscience, bearing the present cross, receiving the present grace, giving thanks for the present pleasure. Our business is to get them away from the eternal and from the Present.4
From Concentration and Meditation by Christmas Humphreys:
As the sequence of day and night, so is the alternation of work and rest, and it is in the minutes of comparative repose that the difference appears between the trained and the untrained student of mind-development. The beginner allows his energy to drain away in idle conversation or mental rambling, in vague revision of past experiences or anxiety of events as yet unborn, or in a thousand other wasteful ways for which, were he spending gold instead of mental energy, he would be hailed as a reckless spend-thrift to be avoided by all prudent men.5
The following summary of J. Krishnamurti’s philosophy of time is from Metaphysical Approach to Reality by Ganga Sahai, Mr. Krishnamurti’s recent books are widely available in the West.
There is a state of being which Krishnamurti calls the timeless. It comes with the realization that the only real moment is the moment of the Now, the eternal present; the past and future taken as “no-more” and “not-yet” are illusions.
The center, the observer, is memory. The center is always in the past. Therefore, the center is not a living thing. It is a memory of what has been. When there is complete attention, there us no observer….
Life is broken up and this breaking of life, caused by the center “me,” is time. If we look at the whole of existence without the center “me” there is no time.
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