Where did people go after death before religion was discovered?

This is a question for all “believers” (I am not an Atheist). Mostly all religions believe that after death people go to Heaven or Hell depending on your religion or how many times you praise GOD? The oldest religion is roughly 5000 years old what happened before that? All our ancestors before that, did they all go to hell because nobody told about religion before that?

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122 responses to “Where did people go after death before religion was discovered?

  1. aremus

    This all depends on where you’re coming from. If you believe in a young Earth, and in the Biblical history of it, the answer is pretty simple. If not, I can’t really help you.

    -Arem
    http://www.seaofire.com

    • Guillermo

      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

    • MLT

      If the answer is so “simple” as you state, please explain to the rest of us dummies. This is the typical out, statements without basis or justification.

  2. Well according to the Muslim belief there is no other religion than that the religion of God. Adam was the first prophet spreadin the message of Allah. He was followed by 140,000 prophets including Moses, Jesus and in the end the greatest of all; Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Only four were provided with the Book of GOD but the last Holy book completed the message and contains related topics and contetnts from the forst three books(including Bible).

    So the first man who came on earth was a Prophet of God himself so i guess people in those days werent that ignorant we believe em tobe.

    • nick

      adam was the first man to walk the earth
      Genesis 1: 26-27

      26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

      27 So God created man in his own image,
      in the image of God he created him;
      male and female he created them.

      • Guillermo

        And how the fuck do you know that, oh wait let me guess, because the book (Bible) says so. I got it, but how can you prove that everything written in the book is true. Let me guess, you can’t prove a damn thing. You know what is my favorite story of the bible, not because it relates to me in any possible way, but because is silly, I am talking about the part when the serpent talks to eve and convinces her to eat the forbiden fruit. Let me tell you something pal, I strongly believe that snakes talked in those days as much as they do today…..lol!

      • deb

        I freaking love you Guillermo!! lol

      • Alex

        I agree with deb. You are wonderful, Guillermo. I love you.

  3. Probably not. That would just be the final straw for Atheists out there. The very idea that an apparently merciful God created a fallacious situation where his own sons were doomed to hell because he was too apathetic to educate them in religion would make the whole concept utterly pointless.

  4. dooesnt some religion believe in this middle place you go to before you pass through to heaven or hell? i dont remember which and what its called…maybe they were made to wait there till it was discovered:P

  5. JV

    If I am ‘believer’ I can quote the answer from my scripture, but if I am asked “Do you know”?, I have no answer.

    When I was kid, with other kids, we used to go different temples, just to taste the variety of offerings (prasads) , now knowning (least caring)which god/dess presided there. Thank ‘god’ I was not believer, otherwise I would have missed the varieties.

  6. Paul

    Hi again Auntie
    If you are truly curious about this you should ask your Diana, she can probably explain to you better in person than anyone can here. Anyway whether you go to heaven or hell is not based on how many times you praise god. Our ancestors disobeyed god. He told them the rules at the start and they disobeyed – they were not in ignorance.
    When Jesus Christ died and resurrected, many of the dead were resurrected with him. Not all tho. Everyone who dies is waiting for the return of Christ, when he will judge the living and the dead and from there they will go to heaven or hell. So the question is really – where do people go after the die. For most people, nowhere yet.
    I dont think religion was discovered either. God created people in a way that they are naturally religious to seek him – But some people have substituted lies for the truth about god. This may be religiously satisfying in this life, but has very serious consequences after death.

    -Paul

    • Guillermo

      What is it men cannot be made to believe!

      -Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

  7. My belief is you would be judged according to your belief and your deeds. So everybody will be judged according to their deeds, if they are incapable of a belief. For example animals.

    However, we Muslims do not belive that religion is only 5000 year old.

    If one has to believe in the evolution theory (which I think is correct, or atleast close to correct) then human beings has to be much older than that. As Adam knew his Lord, we are told, religion is atleast millions of years old.

    • Awe

      Manas i will like to tell you that jesus is not for any religion. Jesus died for you and me even for the whole world so that we might see GOD! What we need to do is jst to acept him as our lord and personal saviour and live a righteous and holy life

  8. You know JV the best prasad you get is at Gurudwaras,if you are still interested in knowing that.I loved it,they called it Karah and it cosisted of hot suji halwa.The best thing is at Gurudwaras rich and poor behave the same way and are thus treated the same way.I am not a Sikh but this is one of those things, picking the best from all religions.

  9. Hi Paul,
    thanks for the interest shown in the post.Would you like to throw some light on the beliefs of humans in Stone age or when civilisation just started.The purpose of humans in that era was to only to eat and survive.What happened to them after death?

  10. Manas,
    You can’t blame the animals because they are incapable of belief.When I believe God is the creator ,he created them too.It is the same for a 2 year old child who if dies ,dies without a belief. Where does he go?

  11. Hi Aremus,
    Thanks for dropping by. Sorry, I could not understand your comment I will try and understand it and get back to you.I haven’t understood the concept of young earth, I will ask my daughter, she knows a bit about Christanity may be she can help me.

  12. Right. So the children go to heaven. (definition of children is probably: before puberty).

    Animals that died after growing up will be judged according to their behaviour, that’s the impression I have.

  13. By the way, it is wrong to assume that animals are completely incapable of belief. They are incapable of sophisticated language, but they can think, but not to the level of sophistication we can.

  14. There are several questions I had on hell and heaven along with the soul.
    1) When does the soul enters the body? All human beings are formed out of the gygote that is single cell.
    2) Where does hell and heaven exist?
    3) Is the mind a part of Soul?
    4) Will my soul go to hell? If it is yes, then how could I ‘feel’ the pain (of heat) there without body?

    • Guillermo

      I like the way you think!

      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

  15. 1) When does the soul enters the body? All human beings are formed out of the gygote that is single cell.
    2) Where does hell and heaven exist?
    3) Is the mind a part of Soul?
    4) Will my soul go to hell? If it is yes, then how could I ‘feel’ the pain (of heat) there without body?

    1. Soul enters the body in the womb, as far as I remember around third week of conception
    2. I don’t know
    3. I don’t know (doesn’t help much, does it?)
    4. You will have a new body in your next life. I can not judge you to tell whether you will go to heaven or hell! It is God who knows. Even though I believe in Him, God borbid, I may have done something terribly wrong. And even though you claim not to believe, you actually may turn later, and even some little (in your point of view) act of good may be so lovely in His eyes, that you may end up in Heaven!

    I am rather of a differing question, regarding 3. What is mind? and what is soul?

  16. Hi manas,
    Unfortunately there are many incidents of crime commited by children before puberty and they are sent to reform institutes so they dont qualify for Heaven either.

  17. Hi Digant,
    Thanks for raising these questions.One more querry wher do they bring soul for the cloned animals and God forbid if they clone a man where do you get an extra soul from.I will be glad to recieve an answer from somebody for your question and mine.

  18. I heard from a Jew Rabbi that cloned animals and human(would be) could be killed without commiting any sin, because it would not have any soul.

  19. Prerna
    Crimes is when done with knowledge. Children can’t be aware of what they are doing. So even if they do some mischief, they can’t be called criminals.

    Diganta
    You are choosing to listen to funny people. That’s not a good sign!

  20. JV

    I still like prasads. But now I am ‘grown up’ , ‘civilised’ and ‘religious’ and therefore now I don’t do this. :(

    What is fun of opinion when it is ‘belief’ not ‘knowledge’. Belief ,however storng, however old, cannot change the fact.

    Did sun circle the earth ,before Galileo discovered the fact? No the fact did not change, it was earth who circled the sun before Galileo discovered.

    When someday the fact of this question will be found out everything will be obsolote.

  21. JV

    I was not referring to the fact that who discovered first.

    Just pointing out the concept , that until something is discovered, belief prevails.

  22. Belief comes after being convinced.

  23. To Lily: Some Christians (mostly Catholics) believe that before entering heaven, people go to purgatory where they will be punished and cleansed from their sins. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of.

    In regard to my original comment: Sorry for being so short. I wasn’t really sure where you were coming from. Basically, the idea of the Young Earth is that God created the Earth in 1 week about 8,000 years or so ago. People who hold to this view would answer your question by saying that people knew God and knew how to obey him from the beginning, even though their official “religion” and traditions might not have formed until later.

    -Arem
    http://www.seaofire.com

  24. JV

    Still, there is large gap betweeen ‘convinced’ and ‘knowledge’. Being convinced is strong belief, but yet not knowledge.

    • Guillermo

      True that, all believers are convinced that their religion is true but yet they are uncapable of proving it.
      Knowledge = True (rational) can be proven and understood.
      Believe = Idea accepted (irrational) beyond our level of understanding.

  25. Great question. I know the bible does speak to this so I’ll have to look it up. I also know that God’s concept of time from an eternal perspective is much different from ours. While those who died before traditions were set may rest in the ground until the day of Christ’s return, it is but the blink of an eye as opposed to how we see thousands of years. Also, if we’re speaking of stone age mankind, it is difficult to say without documentation. There are scholars who can explain better but regarding the children. A 2 yr old who dies, “goes” to heaven. There is a term for this in Christianity and I don’t know it. Not much help, sorry. But it refers to a child’s age of understanding. When they can comprehend the idea of salvation through Jesus and make a conscious choice. I’ve never heard a particular age stated. Again, maybe someone out there knows the correct terminology. Thanks for posing the question. Interesting.

  26. JV

    “Humko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin,
    dil ko khush rakhne ko ‘Ghalib’ ye khayaal achchha hai”

  27. Hi JV,
    Ghalib could think in the 19 century what we have difficulty accepting now.There can be nobody bigger than Ghalib.

  28. well..the the bible declars that the rightous they undiputetly go to heaven other wise the accusers go to hell..but remember that there is only one key that can enable you to go to heaven..if u accepted the lord Jesus christ.But because he wasnt there..i mean many years ago before he was born,all the righteous will automatictly go to the place called the bosom..next to the hell,but there was peace there..the devin couldnt hav that access to assault any of the righteous.But after Jesus was born,and after his dead..he released them to ascend to heaven…

  29. Hi Thabang,
    Thanks for sharing your views.

  30. Jane

    Can someone tell me where all the bad Muslims go? Do Muslims believe in heaven and hell like Christians?

    • Guillermo

      I think they go to your mom’s house….lol. Muslims are as humans as you are, what makes you think that they should go to a different place after death. No religion is better than eny other, just because you chose to believe something different, that doesn’t make you special. If you asked me, I would tell you that religion and greed are slowly but surely destroying our bonds as human beings. So for the reccord….FUCK RELIGION!

      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

  31. Hi Jane,
    I am not a Muslim but I guess if Muslims believe in Heaven and Hell, bad Muslims should go to Hell otherwise there is no point of having Hell.

  32. [My knowledge of my religion Islam is very limited as compare to any priest but il try annwer]

    A mandatory part of our religion is the ‘belief of Heaven n Hell(day of Judgement)
    Hell is for sinners (muslim or not). There are certain sins that are minor in nature for these minor sins Allah will send the sinner to hell for certain period of time(soem yrs depending on the nature) but one who challenges the One-ness of the Almighty will be send to Hell for the rest of his after-life. But Allah is merciful and one should alwaz pray for forgiveness.Amen

    • D.R.M

      Religion was created by the wealthy to provide the common people with hopes of something after death and slavery is over. If religion had not been created the common people would kill there masters. Imagine being a christian with the rights to murder people if they did not convert/beleive the way there masters want them to beleive. Christianity and all religions suck. This I know!!! Enjoy nature which is something else I know exist. My Father, Mother and Forefathers I know also existed and I chose to speak with them and ask them for guidance vs. someone I know not of. All religions beleive in cruelty before and after death. The government sends us to jail and god sends us to hell. Enjoy the life you know exist to its fullest because there may be no 2nd chance. 2nd chance is only beleif not knowledge. Dont waste this life living in guilt and fear. Religions cause good people to hate each other. No 2 humans think the same and we actually know very little.

      • rossa

        Hi D.R.M,
        I really like your comment. It makes such sense with regard to nature and our family members and loved – ones gone before us.I agree strongly, Religions cause people to kill each other in the ‘ name of God’, where is the right in that ???…
        Rossa…

  33. JV

    Entire discussion is going on opposite direction. All the beliefs stated are after religion was discovered. The question is about what happend before that.

  34. tom

    Can I be the 35th person to chime in? Maybe this is too old to respond to.

    But religion is really just man’s pursuit of God, or perhaps it is God’s pursuit of man who continues to run away from God.

    I believe that God is older than “religion.”

    It is like asking why people didn’t float around in the sky before we discovered gravity. Just because we didn’t fully understand it, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t there and working.

    I believe God is the same way. Our finite minds try to wrap themselves around something that is far beyond our abilities to understand. Thus, all He desires is for us to love Him and follow Him. The history of religion, however, is about how we actually want to be our own gods.

    What happened before religion, God dealt with His creation in a loving manner, while we chose to reject Him.

  35. Rajiv

    I think the question is not “where did people go?” because we can pretty easily answer that depending on our religion (Like for a Christian : Heaven or Hell, no matter the person’s religion, even stone age ignorant). We don’t even know when “religion was discovered”, or if it makes any sense to say religion can be discovered, because if religion meerly means beliefs, then it never was “discovered”. I believe a more interesting question would be “Where did people THINK they were going before there was organised religion, on a global scale. Sadly, we cannot answer the question because we have no information on what happened such a long time ago, if there ever was such a time.
    All we can say, is that they were probably animists of some kind, each person and village having its own forms of spirituality, such as were many isolated tribes, only discovered on islands, or rainforests… but that’s just a guess.

  36. Thanks Tom for your comment. It was a pleasure to read your views. I am with you when you say God came before religion. My problem is with religion which I think is man made. It is difficult for me to believe that any scripture written by humans tells us the absolute truth. All religions have their good thing and bad, truths and untruths (‘lies’ sounds harsh. Everybody claims that scriptures are words of God and they should be followed absolutely, I have my objections. There is One God and everybody says MY God is the one true God and have a thousand reasons to believe that. My belief is there are good things in every belief. With the changing times we have to change, for the good of course.

  37. Thanks Rajiv for your views. I think people from all the faiths go to the same place, “where” is the question. God is one, and according to geographical and historical reasons we discovered different ways of remembering Him. The day all of us believe that the other person can also be right and my faith is not the only true faith we will be able to understand the absolute truth better. Gandhi ji said a Christian should be a good Christian, a Hindu should be a good Hindu and a Muslim should be a good Muslim.

  38. Zack

    Before religion? There is no such time….

    In answer to the posted question, religion has always been there. Adam was the first man and the first Prophet of God. His message was the same as all the Prophets that followed:
    – To worship the One God (that there’s no Deity but God).
    – To surrender to the will of God and obey Him

    The people during Adam’s time will be judged upon how pious they were with their belief based on that message. Thus, the concept of Heaven and Hell has always applied.

    • Guillermo

      Prove it…..and please don’t tell me the bible says this or the koran says that, because those are nothing but speculations. Yes, I admit the posibility of the existance of a God just like I believe in the existance of anything else that is beyond my level of understanding, but It would be very irrational of me to accept the idea of posibility as absolute truth.

  39. lynette

    Tom what you are saying makes complete sense to me except, do you mean that all humans before religion were like Jesus, without sin? and if so, did God (through Jesus) give humans another chance?

  40. Thanks Lynette for visiting I hope Tom is able to respond to your querry. I am not competent to answer to this.

  41. william brown

    Now I’m not really sure, but I think before religion, God or Allah had already taught man-kind the knowledge wisdom, and understanding they need to reside in heaven. Somehow they might of already been pre-christianed before the Saviour was born on earth from heaven. My own opinion would be that Muslim or Islamic and Christanity is basically and originally one whole thing in the eyes of God just divided and perceived differently by man-kind.

  42. Thanks William for the comments, although my confusion stays.

  43. lynette

    lynette

    I too am rather confused pr3rna. If people had already been aware of christianity before the saviour was born on earth from heaven, how would they know about sin, and the plan that the almighty has for our salvation through life after death in our souls through eternity? Could they be measured / exposed in the same way as we are? Would welcome your response Willian.

  44. Ancient Judaism looked forward to the Saviour Messiah. Thus they had hope in a future salvation and redemption. Ancient Jews offered an unblemished lamb as a sacrifice to God in an effort to atone for their sins. Christians consider this ancient sacrifical act to be a prophecy of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross so that all might be saved who trust in him. Jesus Christ is referred to as the Lamb of God. Many prophecies about Christ were written in the Book of Isaiah hundreds of years before Jesus Christ walked the earth.

    Interesting thread.

    More fire!
    Jas

  45. Thanks storbakken for your views.

  46. nysaintinsc

    Someone stated the absolute truth: God existed before organized religion existed. God is truth and He is a righteous judge, with laws and statutes and standards. Therefore there was an established right and wrong, from the foundation of time.

    If you want to talk about where did people go before “orgainized religion” you really don’t have to go much further than the first recorded man. Everyone knows the story, Adam and Eve in the garden. They were given one law, one command, one rule. They broke the rule and were punished. The punishment was death, eternal separation from God. Hell. From that day to the days of Christ’s death and ressurrection everyone who died paid the same price, Hell.

    There was nothing anyone could do or say that was so great as to show themselves holy, or righteous in the sight of God. We are born in sin and by nature are sinful. There are not enough good deeds in the world to earn our way into heaven.

    Christ’s death on the cross, redeemed us, gave us a second chance. He paid the price because we couldn’t afford it on our own.Those who died before he came were given another chance as well. A comment earlier touched on this a bit… those who had a heart for God were held in Abraham’s bosom until the day Christ came to redeem them. (Luke 16:19-31; I Peter 3:18-19)

    Christ took our sentence, our punishment, that we all desearve because he loves us. He laid down His life that you might have eternal life…. all he asks in return is a thank you, that you would trust your life to the one who laid down his life for you. Through having faith in Christ, you can be saved from the punishment of your sins, not the responsibility of it, but the punishment. (I don’t want people thinking that Christians have a get out of jail fee card…)

    It sounds “preachy” but the true sign of a true Christian is not forcing people to believe what you believe, but to make sure you share the truth, because you care about their soul, and let them make their own decision.

    I care about what happens to your souls. I hope you do too.

    Wheather you beleive in Christ or not does not change the truth about salvation. There will always be an absolute right and an absolute wrong.
    I don’t believe what I believe because I want my opinion to be right. I believe it because I know it to be true.

    There will be a lot of questions I’d love to have answered, but some will have to wait until I get to glory. If I waited for all of my questions to be answered before I gave my life to Christ, I might have missed my chance to be saved from a burning hell.

    Tomorrow is not promised. And the choice is all yours.

    God bless you all.

  47. Shawn

    dear reader, we just want to find out if you can tell us:
    where do they state in the Bible that your Soul goes to a
    safe room after death?
    Can you email me your answer please?

    regards,

    Shawn

  48. Shawn

    still waiting for your reply

  49. I am sorry Shawn I am not capable of replying your question as I haven’t read the Bible. I will definitely try and ask somebody who is capable enough to answer this. Thanks for the interest shown in the post.
    Thanks for your views @nysaintinnc

  50. Shawn,
    if you’re interested there is a conversation going on at my blog right now about what happens after a person dies. It is from a Christian worldview.
    Jas

    http://www.morefire.wordpress.com

  51. Hi Jas, sorry I couldn’t listen to the topic, I was at work the whole day. Tell me: iis it mentioned in the Bible that your soul goes to an observatory room after you die?

  52. still waiting for a reply

  53. jeyanth

    so… u all believe that GOD created all the heavenly bodies… controls billions and billions of stars, planets… decides fate for each and every species !?!?!?!
    is he the one who created universe (even parallel dimensions) ?. u people always believe whatever u hear. but i believe in science. it is because of science, that we live life and survive. the moment we die, we lose our consciousness. we travel from a single dimension to the last one, holding different forms. if GOD is responsible for our life and death, why would he create universe? what is the reason behind his existence. who gave him the authority? is he a life-form ? to me, all the advanced species are GOD.

  54. Hi Jayanth,
    you are lucky you can be so sure. I am confused.Thanks for your opinion.

  55. Are we only talking about Abrahamic religions?

  56. No definitely not. Actually the people taking part in the discussion are mostly believers in Abrahamanic religions.

  57. Amit

    Well, I wish I could contribute, because I grew up Hindu and I don’t really believe in the concept of god. I’m somewhat of an agnostic.

    I think they all went back to the earth and became humus and are helping plants grow today. :)

  58. kelly

    I am a believer…I have been taught that children who die before age seven go to heaven because they have not reached the “age of accountabillity”. I have also had explained to me that those who died before Christ will be judged exactly like those born after him because they too were given the choice to trust and put their faith in Jesus’ birth and in his salvation. I hope this helps a little bit.

  59. Rajiv

    Yeah, but the 7 year old thing… seems kind of made up… I’m sure children are much smarter and make choices more than you think

  60. Just for a mere answer to this Great Question, my view based on prolonged study of both Indian and other peoples’ thoughts can be summarised thus:: “TIME HAS NO BEGINNING NO END, SPACE TOO, AND SO TOO THE SPACE AND TIME TRANSCENDING SUPREME COSMIC SCULPTOR. And religion too is timeless. Let us not restrict our soul and mind within the narrow confines of our puny earth. Religion after all has several facets knowing and harmonizing with reality:: of wondering in awe at nature and its beauty and perfect harmony; recognizing its immutable laws that may be too numerous for us and encompassing the entire universe. True religion goes further since it also means developing our human powers and channelizing them towards liberation from the narrow confines of space and time and becoming one with the Supreme Self, in eternal bliss.” NOW READ ON, IF YOU WISH, FOR ELABORATION. At the outset I thank Guruji for having selected a very nice topic and for inviting the thoughts of respondents to his Blog.

    Scientists including biologists and physicists and chemists, as well as psychologists, are sharply divided today in a debates such as Evolution by chemical chain reactions, VERSUS Intelligent Design of a Superconscious Being. The former, according to Darwin’s theory/hypothesis, rather putting it roughly, implies that life from single cell ameba to other multcellular varieties, arose and grew in certain sequences, not clearly understod yet, out of a mind boggling number of chemical reactions, since the Earth’s beginnings as a ball of fire, surrounded by huge enveloping hydrogen gas, etc., etc. and over a period of time, No conscious designer or director of these processes , by implication, ever existed, but due to a hypothesized theory of natural selection and survival of the fittest in terms of brain function capabilities, fish, tortoise, ….. ape, and finally man were borne. According to this theory, at some point, none of the different “species” of life coexisted, but it took several eonic periods until such coexistence and survivals happened, beginning with that unicellular ameba. By the way, the progression of marine (fish) to man (erect being with less of the brawn and more of the brain) finds a parallel in the Dasha-avataara allegory of the Avataras of Maha Vishnu, a protector principle of the Supreme God. As will be seen from my following account, this should refer to one particular cycle which repeats itself over time, and is also happening at other planers of other solar systems. (The Darwin’s theory is essentially silent over whether it is possible for us, say today with so many advances in biological and other sciences, it is possible to create life with matter alone, that is without there being any influence, internally or externally, of a consciousness.)

    The latter section of scientists do not quite agree with the conventional Darwin’s Theory. They appear to be convinced that after all, the Earth has existed for billions of years, and several cycles of a few million years may have happened on Earth. And further, they are convinced, it is not only our earth that can support life and such cycles of evolution (not just one single evolution at one stretch, but several, as if in a circular phenomenon). Furthermore, this section of scientists, vehemently opposed and even jeered by their opposing camp, hold that life is ubiquitous across the vast spaces of the cosmos. Religious savants – more precisely: highly gifted spiritualists and philosophers, the Vedic Rishis, in point of fact, had a fantastically cosmic vision. Based on what they have left as legacy through the Vedas, and also narrations of their exploits in the Puranas, these seers with incredible sensory and extrasensory powers, are believed to have developed extraordinary capacity of transcending time, and cognizing life and evolutions in several cycles, on earth and even other ‘Lokas’ or some of the hospitale planets of other stellar systems. Christianity and Islam seem exhibit, indifference to, if not ignorance of, such a scenario of universal life processes, including other stellar and planetary systems supporting life. All through they seem like being obsessed with Man as he is known on our earth alone, and give him what many thinkers today believe, give him a central place in all creations of the Superconscious Being (call him God), and treat the Earth as the whole and sole place of intelligent life (apart from saying that it is a flat surface, and so on.). As a a highly organized institution, the Christian church also did not tolerate anyone declaring any thoughts that contradict Biblical utterances regarding a flat earth and Man’s central place in the design of God. In the medieval period, the church did away with several open thinkers centuries ago who dared not accept Biblical statements as far as they pertained to the creation of the universe and of conscious life. These open-minded pioneers of science started believing in an indefinitely growing field of the cosmos where God, as it were, sowed its seeds across space of a magnitude which is incomprehensible to us, puny mortals on this Earth. Some of the churchitarians today do not mind proclaiming that talking of the cosmos (Brahma-anda) and space travel (Tri-loka-sanchaara is the word in Sanskrit), whether it is the Vedas or the modern scientists, will not give spiritual solace to man. They ignore the point of a cosmic vision that Man must rid himself of the sense of Ego which will always keep Him away from true sense of the Divine. And in this the empirical appreciation of the immense space of the physical cosmos and the infinitesimal place of man in it, can act as a great ego-killer, and therefore make man more Divine-conscious. Slogans woven around crusades and Jihads to kill innocents, due to their infidelity to Allah or Christ, as the case may be, due to the cruelty of organized religions; platitudes and exhortations of compassion and service to humanity will never lead man to light of the divine. Side by side with this ignorance of the principle of ego-destruction, the Church also encourages swallowing for its flock – as staple food, and not token sacrifice to God – of millions of tons of beef produced in the most gruelling conditions of butchering of dumb cows and other animals, ALTHOUGH compassion is one of the cornerstones of the original preachings of Jesus, Thus religions, excluding the Vedic one are full of self-contradictory ideas, except for the universal exhortations like love, fellowship, truth, and the like, which would be just as honoured in the breach as when there was no religion or religious scripture or no Mullahs, no Gurus, no Popes! All religious (or better spiritual) thought except our timeless Vedic religion, were unaware of the sprouting and flourishing of life and civilizations all over the inconceivable realms of the visible cosmos. I said in the beginning, about the Debate on Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (ID). This is raging not just in the scientifically advanced West, but all over the world including especially their counterpart, Japan in the East where the majority religion of Buddhism is essentially a God-less (Nireeshwara) religion [though the Mahayana branch of Buddhim does speak of several divine entities with superhuman powers such as healing of disease, granting of favours that are fervently sought, protecting the living space against earthquakes or tsunamis, and so on. Indian thinkers did not do away with Buddhism, as it is usually made out, but simply absorbed it with all its essential tenets on service to society, rather than all-out self-liberation. That is just BTW.] THE MAIN PURPOSE OF MY RESPONSE TO THIS EXCELLENT QUESTION (Heaven and Hell before Religion came with their God, is it?) will have been served if at least some the other respondents to this Blog are convinced that the Vedic religion – which itself is a conglomerate of an entire spectrum of spiritual-religious philosophical thinking and code of life – was called the SANAATANA DHARMA, which Sanskrit term condenses the fact that we in India, are the most fortunate inheritors of an ETERNAL-UNIVERSAL SPIRITUALITY THAT CAN PROVIDE SCOPE FOR MODERN TYPE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION WITH ITS HINTS ON SEVERAL LINES OF RESEARCH. The DEBATE whether the laws of NATURE [Prakrti] constitute the very ultimate facet of reality, eyond which there is nothing else to know, OR, IN THE ALTTERNATIVE, a Superintelligent, Superconscious, Omnipotent and Omnipresent supreme being [Purusha] is there, who designs these inexorable and mind boggling laws, and He can and must be realized through one or a combination of the different Yogas (Bhakti, Jnana, Karma, and so on) – has been a timeless phenomenon. Space and time are without a beginning and an end. In my understanding as a humble student of religion (both in the denominational and the spiritual sense), Vedic religion is not without significance referred to as SANAATANA (etrnal-universal) religion. Thus, as you see from these “arguments” (surely, they are NOT MINE – I am NOT an original thinker, damn originality, worship sense wheverer it comes from! Vyaasena ucchishtham jagat-sarvam: Vyaasa exhausted all sense in his expoisitons, we lesser humans thrill in taking up all the ‘rest’ and tend to rejoice in doing so! )::

  61. Rajvi

    Nice paragraph, thanks for taking the time.

    It’s interesting for what I understand of it, but I think your views on Christianity and other religions are a bit biased. Your Vedic does not have a monopoly on science and rationnal thinking. I believe at least shintos, buddists, christians, jews, and atheists could claim as well. should i remind you science and progress in technology much came from christian Europe, while the buddhist chinese civilization thrived in the east?

    I think many religions (should they be right or wrong in their beliefs) can claim to have been built up rationnaly (in their own way) and to have produced rationnal theories in science or theology.

  62. danny

    Life after death is biblical concept to blind weaker minds to see within instead of beyond ,its true that its sleep but the soul never dies.Logically thereis no death…only blindness. for more e mail me dan.mac7@gmail.com

  63. Rajiv

    What do you mean exacly?

  64. david

    r u all mad. god isnt real its a form of control to make people be good to one another. animals have sex with lots of different animals does that mean there sinning? when you die its simple blood and oxygen stop everything shuts down and its like going to sleep but never wakeing up now stop making up man made religion. ps im having sex with a dog

  65. Life After Death

    How Do Muslims View Death?
    Muslims believe that the present life is a trial in preparation for the next realm of existence. When a Muslim dies, he or she is washed and wrapped in a clean, white cloth (usually by a family member) and buried after a special prayer, preferably the same day. Muslims consider this a final service that they can do for their relatives and an opportunity to remember that their own existence here on earth is brief.

    The question of whether there is life after death does not fall under the jurisdiction of science, as science is concerned only with classification and analysis of sense data. Moreover, man has been busy with scientific inquiries and research, in the modern sense of the term, only for the last few centuries, while he has been familiar with the concept of life after death since time immemorial.
    All the Prophets of God called their people to worship God and to believe in life after death. They laid so much emphasis on the belief in life after death that even a slight doubt in it meant denying God and made all other beliefs meaningless.

    The very fact that all the Prophets of God have dealt with this metaphysical question of life after death so confidently and so uniformly – the gap between their ages in some cases, being thousands of years – goes to prove that the source of their knowledge of life after death as proclaimed by them all, was the same, i.e. Divine revelation.

    We also know that these Prophets of God were greatly opposed by their people, mainly on the issue of life after death, as their people thought it impossible. But in spite of opposition, the Prophets won many sincere followers.

    The question arises: what made those followers forsake the established beliefs, traditions and customs of their forefathers, notwithstanding the risk of being totally alienated from their own community? The simple answer is: they made use of their faculties of mind and heart and realized the truth.

    Did they realize the truth through perceptual consciousness? They couldn’t, as perceptual experience of life after death is impossible. God has given man besides perceptual consciousness, rational, aesthetic and moral consciousness too. It is this consciousness that guides man regarding realities that cannot be verified through sensory data. That is why all the Prophets of God while calling people to believe in God and life after death, appeal to the aesthetic, moral and rational consciousness of man.

    For example, when the idolaters of Makkah denied even the possibility of life after death, the Quran exposed the weakness of their stand by advancing very logical and rational arguments in support of it:

    And he (i.e. man) presents for Us an example (i.e. attempting to establish the finality of death) and forgets his [own] creation. He says, “Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated?” Say, “He will give them life who produced them the first time; and He is, of all creation, Knowing.” [It is] He who made for you from the green tree, fire, and then from it you ignite. Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes, [it is so]; and He is the Knowing Creator. (Quran, 36:78-81)

    On another occasion, the Quran very clearly says that the disbelievers have no sound basis for their denial of life after death. It is based on pure conjecture:

    And they say, “There is not but our worldly life; we die and live (i.e. some people die and others live, replacing them) and nothing destroys us except time.” And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming. And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, their argument is only that they say, “Bring [back] our forefathers, if you should be truthful.” Say, “God causes you to live, then causes you to die; then He will assemble you for the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt,” but most of the people do not know. (Quran, 45:24-26)

    Surely God will raise all the dead. But God has His own plan of things. A day will come when the whole universe will be destroyed and then the dead will be resurrected to stand before God. That day will be the beginning of a life that will never end, and on that day every person will be rewarded by God according to his or her good or evil deeds.

    The explanation that the Quran gives about the necessity of life after death is what the moral consciousness of man demands. Actually, if there is no life after death, the very belief in God becomes meaningless or even if one believes in God, it would be n unjust and indifferent God, having once created man and now not being concerned with his fate.

    Surely, God is just. He will punish the tyrants, whose crimes are beyond count – having tortured and killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people, created great corruption in society, enslaved numerous persons to serve their whims, etc., because man has a very short life span in this world and because numerous individuals are affected by one’s actions, adequate punishments and rewards are not possible in this life. The Quran very emphatically states that the Day of Judgment must come and that God will decide the fate of each soul according to his or her record of deeds:

    But those who disbelieve say, “The Hour (i.e. the Day of Judgment) will not come to us.” Say, “Yes, by my Lord, it will surely come to you. [God is] the Knower of the unseen.” Not absent from Him is an atom’s weight within the heavens or within the earth or [what is] smaller than that or greater, except that it is in a clear register – That He may reward those who believe and do righteous deeds. Those will have forgiveness and noble provision. But those who strive against Our verses [seeking] to cause failure (i.e. to undermine their credibility) – for them will be a painful punishment of foul nature. (Quran, 34:3-5)

    The Day of Resurrection will be the Day when God’s attributes of Justice and Mercy will be in full manifestation. God will shower His mercy on those who suffered for His sake in the worldly life, believing that an eternal bliss was awaiting them. But those who abused the bounties of God, caring nothing for the life to come, will be in the most miserable state. Drawing a comparison between them, the Quran says:

    Then is he whom We have promised a good promise which he will meet [i.e. obtain] like he for whom We provided enjoyment of worldly life [but] then he is, on the Day of Resurrection, among those presented [for punishment in Hell]? (Quran, 28:61)

    The Quran also states that this worldly life is a preparation for the eternal life after death. But those who deny it become slaves of their passions and desires, making fun of virtuous and God-conscious persons.

    Such persons realize their folly only at the time of their death and wish to be given a further chance in the world but in vain. Their miserable state at the time of death, and the horror of the Day of Judgment, and the eternal bliss guaranteed to the sincere believers are very clearly and beautifully mentioned in the following verses of the Quran:

    [For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, “My Lord, send me back that I might do righteousness in that which I left behind (i.e. in that which I neglected).” No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected. So when the Horn is blown, no relationship will there be among them that Day, nor will they ask about one another. And those whose scales are heavy [with good deeds] – it is they who are the successful. But those whose scales are light – those are the ones who have lost their souls, [being] in Hell, abiding eternally. The Fire will sear their faces, and they therein will have taut smiles (i.e. their lips having been contracted by scorching until the teeth are exposed). (Quran, 23:99-104)

    The belief in life after death not only guarantees success in the Hereafter but also makes this world full of peace and happiness by making individuals most responsible and dutiful in their activities.

    Think of the people of Arabia before the arrival of the Prophet Muhammad . Gambling, wine, tribal feuds, plundering and murdering were their main traits when they had no belief in life after death. But as soon as they accepted the belief in the One God and life after death they became the most disciplined nation of the world. They gave up their vices, helped each other in hours of need, and settled all their disputes on the basis of justice and equality. Similarly the denial of life after death has its consequences not only in the Hereafter but also in this world. When a nation as a whole denies it, all kinds of evils and corruption become rampant in that society and ultimately it is destroyed.

    The Quran mentions the terrible end of Aad, Thamud and the Pharaoh in some detail:

    [The tribes of] Thamud and Aad denied the Striking Calamity [i.e. the Resurrection]. So as for Thamud, they were destroyed by the overpowering [blast]. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming, violent wind which He [i.e. God] imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so you would see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. Then do you see of them any remains? And there came Pharaoh and those before him and the overturned cities (i.e. those to which Lot was sent) with sin. And they disobeyed the messenger of their Lord, so He seized them with a seizure exceeding [in severity]. Indeed, when the water overflowed, We carried you [i.e. your ancestors] in the sailing ship (i.e. which was constructed by Noah). That We might make it for you a reminder and [that] a conscious ear would be conscious of it. (Quran, 69:4-12)

    Events of the Day of Judgment
    God states in the Quran about the events of the Day of Judgment:

    Then when the Horn is blown with one blast, and the earth and the mountains are lifted and leveled with one blow [i.e. stroke] – Then on that Day, the Occurrence [i.e. Resurrection] will occur, And the heaven will split [open], for that Day it is infirm (i.e. weak, enfeebled and unstable). And the angels are at its edges. And there will bear the Throne of your Lord above them, that Day, eight [of them]. That Day, you will be exhibited [for judgment]; not hidden among you is anything concealed (i.e. any person or any secret you might attempt to conceal). So as for he who is given his record in his right hand, he will say, “Here, read my record! Indeed, I was certain that I would be meeting my account.” So he will be in a pleasant life – In an elevated Garden, Its [fruit] to be picked hanging near. [They will be told], “Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you put forth (i.e. literally, advanced in anticipation of reward in the Hereafter) in the days past.” But as for he who is given his record in his left hand, he will say, “Oh, I wish I had not been given my record, and had not known what is my account. I wish it [i.e. my death] had been the decisive one (i.e. ending life rather than being the gateway to eternal life). My wealth has not availed me. Gone from me is my authority.” [God will say], “Seize him and shackle him. Then into Hellfire drive him. Then into a chain whose length is seventy cubits insert him.” Indeed, he did not used to believe in God, the Most Great. (Quran, 69:13-33)

    The Prophet Muhammad taught that three things continue to benefit a [believing] person even after death – charity which he had given (which continues to benefit others), beneficial knowledge which he had left behind (i.e. authored or taught), and supplication on his behalf by a righteous child (Narrated by Saheeh Muslim).

    Thus, there are very convincing reasons to believe in life after death:

    1) All the Prophets of God have called their people to believe in it.

    2) Whenever a human society is built on the basis of this belief, it has been the most ideal and peaceful society, free of social and moral evils.

    3) History bears witness that whenever this belief is rejected collectively by a group of people in spite of the repeated warning of the Prophet, the group as a whole has been punished by God even in this world.

    4) Moral, aesthetic and rational faculties of man endorse the possibility of the life after death.

    5) God’s attributes of Justice and Mercy have no meaning if there is no life after death.

    • Guillermo

      Ok, are you done, good because all I heard was bla, bla,bla,bla…..and now that you are done talking about religion, can we talk about truth?

  66. rutu

    i m not that experienced as far as life is concern but then also i have my won discription of death.as the life has started in cycles like planets move in cycle ,seasons also have a cycle in the same pattern death must also have a pattern .untill now humans have understood the different cycles and most probablly because of that only they are leading the chate of life as they know what phase of life they will going from in next few years.wellthis was all about life but what about death if we unsolve the mistery of death we might lead every chate in universe.life and death are like a game of solitar as we take the move the computer changes its stategies but what about death ???????????? WHO DECIDES OUR FATE???????????

  67. Zee

    Has anybody ever thought about nobody going to hell?Maybe all the “Sinners” are just sent back to earth for another chance to go to heaven. If you think about it logically, if that in fact happen when we died. It would clear up questions like ” If god is so forgiving then why does he send people to hell??” You might say that you have proof god, the devil, heaven, hell, etc. exists and therefore I’m wrong and going to hell. But do you really have “Proof”?? Your proof is a book. A book that teaches morals and how to live life. A great book, but it doesn’t prove anything whatsoever! Or maybe human beings just can’t accept the fact that WE DON’T KNOW!! AT ALL!!! Therefore we created Supernatural Beings to explain what we dont understand. Humans can’t deal with not knowing, its our nature. Because we are given the privilege of competent minds that can think and not just survive by all means, we are plagued with questions such as ” Why are we here?” “Who/What created us?” Etc. We couldnt just go along with life without knowing. In response to one of Amir’s statements, a Human Society has never, EVER been without social and moral evils! If you can name one in the history of the world and have good proof that supports it i will gladly retract my statement.

  68. Is there life after death?

    First of all let’s be clear what is meant by death. In the normal stages of death the heart stops beating and respiration ceases. Without a supply of oxygen the bodies various organs stop functioning and start to die. The brain, also starved of oxygen begins to shut down. Death occurs when the brain ceases to register activity. All straight forward stuff.

    So the difference between being alive and being dead is activity in the brain. We are our brain. What is the very essence of us, what makes me me and you you, is our brain. So what is it?

    The human brain is a collection of cells that for the typical adult weighs about 3 lbs. It contains 100 billion neurons. The neurons form connections to each other called synapses. These synapses produce chemicals called neurotransmitters. There are 1,000,000,000,000,000 synapses in the brain. A neuron is activated and the synapses connects to another neuron via a neurotransmitter through its synapses. Every thought you have, every movement you take, every memory you possess, is nothing more than a particular sequence of synapses. This is what we are, a collection of neurons sparking off a chain reaction to other neurons. When the brain is no longer activating neurons, we cease to exist.

    The rest of our body serves no other purpose than to keep the brain alive and to reproduce.

    So if that’s all we are, then to answer the question ‘is there life after death’, the answer would have to be no. The real question then is, is that all we are?

    Those of a religious nature would argue that we are far more than that, they would argue that we have a soul. A soul is, for me, hard to imagine. How do you describe it? It is not something that we can detect, it is a spiritual thing without any physical substance, and it is this that supposedly lives on after our mortal bodies have died. So where is the soul while we are alive? I assume it must reside in the brain as that is where we reside. I can only assume again that when the brain dies the soul is released.That being the case the soul is able to survive without the need of a body, it is obviously independent of the body. So why does it need a body in the first place? Perhaps it needs a body to develop and is unable to leave it until the body dies. See Our final destiny, immortals?

    According to popular belief only human beings possess a soul, animals apparently do not. So what is the difference between humans and animals? As far as I can tell it’s just a question of intelligence, as measured by us. After all it’s not that long ago that we were animals, we weren’t created human, we just evolved along different lines than the others. That being the case there is nothing special about us that should warrant us having a soul and animals not, after all, some people are born with severe brain malfunctions that on an intelligence scale would rate them less than some animals. So intelligence can not be the deciding factor, unless you believe that you need to score above a certain IQ level in order to be granted a soul. If we tinker around with genetics and produce a chimp with the IQ of a schoolboy, would that give it a soul? Would the chimp go to heaven?

    So what exactly could it be that determines whether or not a life form merits a soul or not, as the case may be? I think we can rule out intelligence. What else sets us apart from the animals? Some would say our appreciation of the arts, poetry, music, etc. I don’t agree. I think that just comes with intelligence. What else is there? Absolutely nothing at all! We think we have a soul, we think we are ‘superior’ to the animals, we think there is some undefinable quality about us that sets as apart from the animals. Hogwash! We are just animals that got smart.

    Assuming for the sake of argument that we do possess a soul, then the obvious question is where does it go when we die? I know what your thinking, it goes to heaven. So what and where is heaven? Obviously it isn’t a ‘real’ place up in the sky somewhere, it is a spiritual place, it has to be if the soul can go there and we can’t. What does it do when it gets there? is it the end of our journey, or the beginning? This is more to do with a belief in God. See What evidence is there for God?

    What do I think?

    Damned if I know to be honest. I would like to think we have a soul and somehow live on after our earthly demise, but its just a nice thought to hang onto. It would however give meaning to our lives. See Is there a reason for our existence?

    What I find hard to accept is the belief that somehow the human race is special, more than just an animal. We are animals, we evolved out of the same primeval swamp as the rest of the animal kingdom. Getting smart is not in my view a passport to gaining a soul.

    If you wanted to convince me that we do have a soul, you would need to explain what it is that qualifies us for a soul and not animals.

    Ultimately though, being a matter of faith, and faith alone, you either believe it or you don’t. See Are all religions false? There is not a single shred of proof that we possess a soul. One thing however is for certain, we are all going to die one day.

    • Guillermo

      Check out this Quote:

      “What is it men cannot be made to believe”!

      -Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

    • Guillermo

      You seem way to smart for a ninth grade student. I like the way you think!

  69. woah woah woah…too much of discussion on Religion haan!

    Religion is sub-product of tiniest useless destructive thought, a person might have produced sitting in hell. He induced the thought in one of the brains on earth and then earth got a face of hell too -“religion”..

    hmm…sounds interesting..

    yes, it’s a fact.

  70. Lynn

    In the bible it says that we do not go to heaven at the time of our death. We go to heaven or hell on judgement day when God judges us in this order, the quick (the living)and the dead..

    • Guillermo

      You will go to heaven or hell when God judges you, I rather stay here in planet earth and stay focused on how to make it a better place.

  71. C.C. Chowder

    Patricia’s post is very wise. It certainly sums up my line of thinking for the most part(and in a way far more kind and generous than I am capable of). You all would also be wise to read it.

  72. Lynette

    Why do we need “proof” (visual) to believe there is a soul… You (Patricia) believe there is a brain because it is known. Think about this, can you visualize eternity? What is forever? When does it end? Never. God created these forces.

    I believe we are too insignificant to fathom the “science” of the sole, which is the crux of eternity, ours at least.

    A fascinating and important subject.

    • Guillermo

      Wow, You are insignificant, do not include me in your club. Sure, there are things yet to be discovered and I admit the posibility of the existance of a creator GOD, and Heaven and Hell, but untill it can be proven real, It will be nothing but speculations. The fact that I am even discussing this is a waist of my precious time!

  73. Angel

    Well, Before Jesus died on the cross everyone went to hell. That’s why he died so we all can have a chance to go to heaven. When we ask God to forgive us in Jesus name, he forgives us and forgets. When we die people are just sleep for that time. When Jessus sends his angels we all are going to be judged. Until then do what’s right. Because he is real, the almighty….

    • Guillermo

      Sure and this true because the holy book says so right?…..Whatever!

    • Scince Is the Anwser

      Tell me, what proves that Jesus was real?That he died on a cross?It could have been a priest who got executed by the Romans(Time says that Jesus,or whoever, died in the last second of the year 1 BCE).

      -SIA

  74. I could say that the answers lie beyond our realms of imagination, but that would be to evade the question.

    Who, for instance, designed the heaven and hell? For what logical reason? Where are the angels? Why is hell HOT? Why are all the Hindu Gods Indian? Why is Mohamed the last prophet? What purpose did Jesus’s crucifixion serve? Why won’t – even if one billion Muslims or catholics in the world pray simultaneously for it – a flimsy pencil budge?

    If God is indeed all powerful, why does evil still exist? If Allah punishes deviant humans… why doesn’t He punish a deviant angel – Iblis?

    It is quite clear that religions have flaws, and they arise from limited human thinking.

    The best response that even I’d like to repeat is that – after they died, they turned to humus so that plants can grow from them.

    • Guillermo

      I thinki that yopu are going to like this:

      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

    • Scince Is the Anwser

      i can answer the one on god,about why does evil exist.Well,its natural order,here are some examples:light must have darkness and darkness must have light.So if evil exist so must good.Without evil,good will never be needed.

      -SIA

  75. Welcome @ yaamyn ,
    I wish I had written this answer.These are the questions that I think of, every time I think of religion.Thanks.

  76. Hector Quezada

    Summerian believes were a mirror image of todays religion.

    • Guillermo

      It does me no good nor bad what sumerians believed. In the end, only truth shall prevail weather we can comprehend it or not.

  77. Adam

    PEOPLE DIE AND COME BACK AS WHAT THEY HATED IN THEIR FORMER EXISTENCE,TILL ALL IS UNDERSTOOD,THEN,WHO KNOWS..

  78. D.R.M

    I shall go to sleep and be with my dreams and hope to have more good dreams than bad dreams. When my soul is tired from dreaming I shall rest. As my soul awakens again and again I shall dream again. With or without the flesh we know not what tommorow shall hold as we know not of our future dreams. It would bother me not much to go back and re dream some of my old dreams whether good or bad. My question is where do dreams come from, do we need a flesh brain to dream and if so, prove to me of your knowlege.

    • Guillermo

      Pues yo en tu lugar, ya me hubiese despertado. Bien dice el dicho, camaron que duerme en la arena se lo lleva la corriente.

    • Scince Is the Anwser

      No.A brain is just a combination of electrical pulses.We just need some spark storage for memories and using nerves.Dreams have been proven just memories,thoughts,or a Tragic/Wonderful moments:just rearranged.After death,the brain doesn’t need to work anymore.The everything fades from the brain,including the dreams.

      -SIA

  79. Scince Is the Anwser

    In my opinion,people die and are left alone for their bodies to rot or reincarnation.I think this happened from the start of life(where ever it came from) to the point earth cannot hold life anymore(which will happen due to a stars life-span).

    As you should see science would have proven a holy and unholy dimension some time now,if not then they will in at least 1-3 centuries from now.

    Also think this;If a religion was “True” then surely the “God” would have sent someone back.At least every 2 centuries would keep minds fresh.

  80. BE4 that good peops ended up in heaven and bad in hell, that’s my guess

  81. Raghu

    If Adam was the first human,as believed tobe, please answer this. When Cain killed Abel, he was banished by Adam. Cain started roaming and came across a nomad group for which he became leader later. It is not clear as to wherefrom this nomad group appeared when the first human itself was Adam and there was no text of him having produced these people simultaneosly. Can anyone throw light on this?

  82. Jose

    If you were raised without any religious belief, what would you believe? We believe what we are instructed to believe as children. That unfortunately my friends is the truth. So who knows what they believed back then. Just do good and live a good life.

  83. Herbert Guthry

    IF someone dies does can anyone proove they did? Based on what science experiment? LOL>Look it up in wikipedia. To this day science can’t proove we die although is a universal assumption we do die.

  84. Ella

    Everybody has an argument based on what somebody else has told them, from a book, another person, or group of people. We have no idea how we got here, we can speculate on evolution, creation or arriving from another planet but we really don’t know. The oldest libraries in the world are kept secret, what knowledge do they possess that we are forbidden to know. Paganism was taken over by religion, but not forced by the military as was Islam. Jews have always been persecuted for a set of beliefs, we are all people, we have different beliefs based on what we have been told and where we grew up, but we cling to that because we all want to know why we are here or where we came from. Science replaced religion, then psychology replaced science. There will be a new trend soon deployed to control the masses. All these beliefs are, are social control that come from other human beings. We have no idea why we are here or where we came from, we’re best looking as far back as we can, maybe then we will find some clues but never the answers.

  85. osirus

    before religion we had spirituality the link to the most high see before God gave us a physical form we exsisted in the spiritual realm with knowledge of all things and creations by the hands of the most high it wasn’t in till our sports were put in 2 the physical that we lost all knowledge of truth but we still had spirituality that connected us to A higher power and Creator the sad thing is we have turned are backs on God for books and stories,mythology,and theology most are man made manipulation know u can call me what u like ur opinions mean nothing 2 me but it is not about who is right or wrong but ask ur self idols,deities, animals,and a ton of other spaced out beliefs Scientology cults devil worshipers what ever all man made things that took u away from belief in 1 true God rather God is he or she we dnt know we dnt have the right 2 give God a title at all so many of u belittle God and try 2 make the supreme power human etc. in reality seeks ur ties in spirituality 2 the most high ask him 2 give us all guidance of truth protect us from false teachings beliefs idolatry man made Scriptures and deceptions that only exsiste in people’s manesfestation and lead us all back 2 truth before we were giving a gift of a she’ll and made physical sociological mind control and mental manipulation studies all point 2 religion as man made wars over religion was over who could control the word to manipulate they are all wrong God did not give any of them the right 2 do so I know there is evil I know there is a realm of darkness and there is eternal peace back 2 our spiritual
    essence lose what controls u and gain what God built inside u spirituality……… Osiris heru imanhotep……

  86. Grimm

    You have obviously never cross referenced religions. Most DO NOT, believe in a Heaven and Hell, at least not in the customary Christian sense. Sorry if anyone has already made this point.

  87. Alex

    My guess is this: The same place they go now. Nowhere.

  88. jackw

    Interesting question. How about this? Maybe people didnt want to die back then and probably didnt care where they went in death because life was more important.

  89. Sabir Muhammad

    I find it fascinatin’ how the question was where did people go after death before religion was discovered, and no one could not have an answer unless it had something dealing w/ religion..just say you do not know because we truly don’t..but what I can say Is that we always had the spirit but we were taught religion…meditate on that…

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